Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Oh my god. Its good to see him again, hear his voice, he said of the images of Andrew. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. Because this is foreshadowing. We did have him for a little while, she said. She would never go away. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. 2015 - 2020. But you will come away believing in people. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. Except this story is worse. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? On December 15, 2010, Governor General David Johnston gave Royal Assent to Bill C-464: An Act To Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody), making it law in Canada. So I gave her the. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. You can't tell them this over the phone. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Andrew came to St. John's. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. On Monday, March 22, 2010, the House of Commons in Ottawa unanimously passed Bill C-464 - An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. get in there, if that's what she demanded. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Imagine it. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. The memory of that visit is of a crying Zachary being taken away from them. You will cry. Specific in nature? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. The bill now moves to the Senate where it is expected to be embraced in a similar fashion. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. She was deranged. Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. Then, upon. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. I didn't have. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. And he'd be like(turns. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' us around. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. He said, `The psychotic bitch. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. Cpl. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Screening next at DocuWeek, the International Documentary Association's Theatrical Documentary Showcase. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. And now it's just. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' ', KATE: He's so loved. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. Meeting her at 6. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Senior Writer and Project Manager. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? And I saw that night her malignancy. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. The full hour will not be available online. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. And thus the decision from which all else followed. We. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr. Shirley Turner,. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. The memory of their son and grandson are never far.. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. December 10, 2007: MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. March 18, 2008: View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. will not hurt Zachary, period. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? I sat there. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Cpl. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. In that time, it becomes clear that, thankfully, baby Zachary has his fathers penchant for emotional maturity and gravitates not towards his mother, but to his grandmother. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. I can understand that. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. "We had to do something.. Play trailer 2:39. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. They held their breath. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. Oh, my. Bagby came from Sunnyvale, California, and was the son of Kathleen Daphne Bagby ( ne Barnard), a registered nurse and midwife from Chatham, England, United Kingdom; and David Franklin Bagby, an American former United States Navy serviceman and computer engineer. Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. An abridged version of "Dear Zachary" will premiere on CBC Newsworld in Canada on Sunday, October 25th at 10 PM ET/PT. It opens with a gushing montage of the friends of a doctor named Andrew Bagby, none of whom have one real bad word about him. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. Subscribe here. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Skewed imagery. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. quiet. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Click here for ticket information! It would take two weeks. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. We dont do anything related to murder anymore, he said. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. We need each other, have each other to get through this.". How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. And so, on August 18, 2003, Shirley Jane Turner kills Zachary. December 4, 2008: Hoping to gain custody of the child, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Memorial University Medical School. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. Was it a tight bond? MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Except, OK, sometimes not. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. Please check back for updates as the bill makes its way through the Senate in the coming weeks -- and if you are a Canadian Citizen, please write your Senator to voice your support of C-464 during this crucial time. Not too long ago? I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Help contribute to IMDb. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award.
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