The one that went directly back to gun store was likely 2018 or 2019 but was still new in box. A few javelina even took up residence beneath a collapsed radar dish, they just tunneled under the edge and hid out all hunting season. The .357 Rem. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. With a tuned lever action, you can unload 10 rounds in about 3 seconds: https://youtu.be/h1Wcy8HRQUo?list=TLPQMjcwNzIwMjC2VftOeStKpQ. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. Mounted basic fixed sights on it. The receiver was warped slightly outward, he pressed it back into line. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? Rethroating, .357 Magnum barrels and rechambering to .357 Remington Maximum and Winchesters new .350 Legend. 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If you can't locate a H&R/NEF in 357 mag a very decent alternative is a Braztech/Rossi made scaled down clone. This is a high-class place so act respectable. The long narrow case is not well suited to propellants much faster than the 2400-class propellants. I love Lever action rifles, and own Rossis, Savage 99s, Winchesters , ( 92 and 94s), Marlins, and Henrys, in 357 magnum and 44 Rem Mag. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. Clearly, these articles (and other ones like this article) hit a receptive ear/eye in the gun buying public and they say Imma get me sumodat! and poof! The .357 Maximum is a stretched .357 Magnum case; its about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Maybe Ill be in a position to reload once I retire in 25 or so years but by then Ill probably have sold everything and moved back overseas so it wont be an issue. The .357 Remington Maximum was conceived primarily as an ultra-velocity, flat-trajectory silhouette cartridge. Take a lever action over an AR every day. Bagged in plastic, clean, and well oiled. Nobody cared about the AR-15. Which was ".357 maximum Auto Rimless." The moniker ".357 Max AR" stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the "Max-AR," Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15's . The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. The .357 Atomic was just a .357 loaded to higher than standard pressures. It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. Seldom has any new gun/ new cartridge combination failed so quickly.Ruger's long-framed Blackhawk was first to market in two barrel lengths. has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. No bloody wonder that Remingtons in bankruptcy again. He cleaned that up. Thompson Center manufactures the Contender in .357 Remington Maximum still. If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. If I didnt have to deal with CAs onerous gun registration laws, Id otherwise be glad to offer someone one of my Glock/AR sets for a .357 Mag revolver + rifle. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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That all depends on the powder youre burning. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Used Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA 2-3/4 or 3" shell,Top break action, Reciever is a case hardened finish. I'd bet you well over 90 percent of all IHMSA ammo was loaded on the shooter's bench. Nothing slimmer or quicker to get into action. Winchester just introduced the 350 Legend for all the people who are stuck using straight walled cartridges. Rifle Brass; Rifles; Specialty Long Range; Sub-Caliber Products (.17, .14, .12, & .10 caliber) Cartridge Board Displays; Shotgun ; Firearms; Featured Item.14 Ackley . They were hell bent on making me reload. Surprised no one has mentioned Smith and Wesson 627 Performance Center 8 shot in 357. I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. The .357 Maximum can be a potentially great cast bullet cartridge. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lever-action-ballistics-30-30-vs-357-magnum/, The original (factory) Marlin review: 357 maximum rifle For Sale 1000+ Listings Found Page 1 of 317 1 2 3 . Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. If you want a short-action levergun with similar ballistics, consider: A hollow-point 357 magnum bullet combines maximum weight retention and terminal expansion to provide threat-stopping power . of AA-1680 give top velocities and energies for shots upwards of 250 yards or more with 180 gr bullets from 24 barrels. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Please try a new zip code and search again. took a good cleaning and now it shoots very well. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. Yeah, that .357 lever gun is so irrelevant you cant find one anywhere. Brand: Winchester. The easiest way to get a long gun in .357 Max is in a Handi Rifle and there is plenty written about them in the Max. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:43 pm, Post . I make do with a 336 Marlin in .35 Rem. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. If you compare a 16" 30-30 to a 16" .357 Mag, the difference is even smaller. It is a smaller diameter bullet with a high velocity, which makes it penetrate well during hunting. Savage made a small number of their model 24 Over/Under combination rifles with a .357 Rem. bullets in barrels around 20. someguy2800, Jul 12, 2019 #7 Eagle 17 and Bfh_auto like this. They both have Constitutional carry! Thats info that will come in handy. But those new X models are very hard to get now. Last one he had and probably will get for some time. It was stopped when Ruger or someone discovered flame cutting of the top strap above the barrel/cylinder gap. https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/henry-big-boy-steel-357-magnum-38-special-lever-action-rifle. They tried fixing it with a (I think it was either titanium or stainless steel insert) but the Jeanie was already out of the bottle and they were dropped. As a reloader, I will say that I have affection for the ease of use/reuse of straight walled cartridges and, thus, am a bit more fond of 10mm but, .357 sig certainly has merit. At least it can use use the same bullets as my Smiths. Thats one reason my dad carried a semi-auto 12 Gauge for whitetails. Proof-fired it and it stood up. Sorry, there are no results in your area. Hard to beat real world experience which is mainly what this site consists of. You have my (good natured) envy. For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. Prefer .44 Mag to .357, but thats just me. Similar to the Critter You Are Hunting Effect. hollow points, you can aim dead on with it at 100 yds. Tho i reload all my center fire calibers. If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. They show up now and again and they are a really fine rifle. And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). GunBroker.com Forums. In addition to the rapid erosion of the barrel face adjacent to the cylinder, the topstrap was being grooved by a combination of hot gas and partially burned propellant granules. . by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:17 pm, Post Both are top performers. Last time I went hunting. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. . A real plain looking carbine, but the thing shoots like a dream. Forgot to add. We do not charge additional fees for credit cards. It brings the 38+p up to mid-range 357 revolver ballistics (~1250). [6] The "Magnum era" began with the .375 H&H rifle cartridge, spreading to handguns with the .357 Magnum. KBCraig, have you tried buying primers recently? HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE For Sale from: Intrepid Shooting Sports | Positive feedback: 98% View | Verified Seller | 1551 Completed Sales View Sellers Items SOLD - $299.00 Shipping: $20.00 (or FREE in-store pick up!) 30-30 is always a good option. It was a long-range shooting sport in which the targets were the silhouettes of game animals cut from steel plate and placed in banks of five at 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. CONDIT OUR STOCK NUMBER: 13212 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI.R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 24", OCTAGON FINISH: DARK BRAZILIAN HARDWOO ***HARD TO FIND TACTICAL-LEVER .357*** Citadel Levtac-92 lever-action rifle in .357 Magnum. I would accept the beating and get a .44 if I did. John said that he quietly kept on shooting his Rugers in the controversial caliber. At pressures in the 40,000-psi range, they helped avoid primer flowback that can tie up a break-action firearm. Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. I was shocked when I found out. One of the best, if not, the best little caliber you would ever want ! No more squirrel. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. Blame it on the Covid 19 pandemic. My all-time favorite .357 rifle is still the IMI Timber Wolf pump. We cover the 357 MaximumAll you need to know about the 357 Remington Maximum! Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. Finally needed cash and sold it to a collector of old west guns. Unless Marlin has COMPLETELY reformed their QC system, I would never spend $600 on one of their levers. Geoff: Nope, not yet. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. The hole in the barrel and tube could not be repaired but were near the ends, so he shortened and crowned the barrel, put in a new mag tube spring. Best of both worlds. Most 350 Legend bullets have a higher sectional density which means more penetration than the .357 Magnum. 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Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm, Post If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. The.357 Maximum, formally known as the.357 Remington Maximum or the.357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat.357 SuperMag. Me personally I will gladly take an 1892 or 1894 in .357 instead of a black rifle.. MSRP is $1,223, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, itll command less of a premium in-store. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-henry-big-boy-44-magnum/. 9mm brass-case FMJ is pushing .40 cents a round for the cheap stuff and I dont see the price dropping anytime soon. Nice single shot rifle. A couple of people got that familiar look in their eyes and started plotting their next purchase right there. The amount of money, time and effort and the increased lever throw places a 357 Maximum lever gun so far down my list that it will never happen for me. It downloads well, unlike H110/296. Obviously, a longer cartridge had increased powder capacity and greater velocity potential. #17. But the tyrants have publicly said they hate repeating firearms. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! 008-E503841 | MTM. Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. The Henry Big Boy Classic is as close to the original lever gun as it gets without having to look for .44 rimfire. Took it out on a pesky squirrel with a .308. Now its the way it should have been from the factory. Per ballistics charts, and generally speaking due to all the variables from different cartridge loads, a .357 Mag out of a carbine rifle barrel approaches the muzzle velocity and energy of a .44 Mag from a handgun. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post The .357 Remington Maximum is the .357 Magnum revolver round lengthened .315 inch, and was basically developed by the hyper-competitive Elgin Gates, who among other things raced powerboats and obsessively hunted trophy-book big game around the world. Ive been at the range many times when people in adjacent lanes started talking about trigger quality and, when I let them fire that old 19, the response is usually just, wow. As they are harder to find, I switched to PPU 158 JHP with little change for sighting in. Thirdly, in ordinary political/economic times .38 and .357 ammo is plentiful, ubiquitous, and affordable. There's no doubt but that the .357 Magnum with heavy bullets will do it handily up close.The .357 Maximum was an effort to give you .357 Magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. At only 6 lbs, it can easily be carried in the handwhich you have to do since it lacks sling studs. It could even work for breech-seating. This is well within the expansion range of the slightly larger XTP. Although a crimp is not required for a single-shot firearm, I crimp anyway. It too feeds with no problems but is more work to make. . Marlin made a name for themselves offering an improved version of the Winchester action starting in the 1880s. Would love a new one, in particular one of the Henry brand as the finishes are absolutely beautiful. Seems to me thats just about the perfect lever-action carbine caliber. Based on the Encore being ok for the 270, up to 65,000 psi is Ok. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. I got a 336BL a couple years ago and I have no complaints. Thats exactly the sort of info i was looking for. $150 if you take the simple route leaving the Henry forend on, (This for the extra handling and care packaging to protect the wood finish.). Finding component will likely be tough though. Max chambering. Why? by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:56 pm, Post In 357 max 24" Douglas premium barrel 1in16 twist shoots 180 pointed flat point over 4227 with CCI 450 primer .7 inches at 100 don't have to worry about resale I'll keep this one. FILE PHOTO Check out our website and use our Facebook li Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16 inch .357Mag Lever Action. The 2350 fps 150gr .30-30 is 1850 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. While the cartridge produces around 1200 ft/lbs of energy, which is more than a .44 Magnum, it also has less recoil. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 You can throw the entire reloading setup (minus powder and primers and bullets) into a cargo pocket. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns. As most revolver . The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:44 pm, Post . Features a rugged, stainless steel bolt with 90 bolt throw and rapid lock time for added accuracy. JWM, I too would love to have pairs of 357 and 44 mags. Perfect. Since there is very little commercial availability for the .357 Rem. If a Marlin 336 is a candidate for a successful rebarrel and chamber job in order to use 357 Maximum/Supermag cartridges. The chronograph results show it is identical to the 35 Remington. So naturally, I'm looking at different options and trying to figure out what has the longest range. Of commonly available rifles, 444 marlin seems to be near the top of the heap, ballistics wise. .44 mag would batter my hands a bit too much these days. Here in Ohio legal deer hunting rifle cartridges are straightwall cases from .357 to .50. May be possible to make a single shot but it would be costly. Since MSRP is only $1,069, its Winchesters entry-level lever gunbut its far from entry-level quality. With todays rail-mounted optics, that makes the 1894 CSBL tactical and practical, with the addition of an XS Sights Lever Rail and sight set. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. As to market, a very subjective matter. Two million signatures needed by Nov 17 to qualify for a 2021 Special Election. The problem with rebarreling a Ruger No 1 or 3 is not the round, it it locating a gunsmith capable of dealing with a Ruger single shot action. Sounds like Remington/Marlin customer service and repair has gone straight to hell. The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. The 30A is a Marlin 336 for 70% off.). NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . No such thing as a perfect caliber, but .357 magnum and its sister the .357sig is about as close as one can get. The only guy I knew who shot 357 Max had a Ruger SBH and a Marlin lever gun re-chambered for the Max cartridge. Yup. 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416 45-70. 8,125. It shouts very well that way. Very accurate, which makes it very deadly. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! I kept still hoping that they couldnt climb a tree. Load data for 9 loads in caliber .357 Maximum with .355 . Hot and spiced with nutmeg and cinnamon on a cold day kicks ass, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/56/4e/97564e38ab918eae2103ffa40b24f0c1.jpg. I do like the other pistols but somehow I always end up back at one of those two. Yeah both pretty awesome. I bought a brandified new Ruger .357 revolver just as this lockdown crap started. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-marlin-1894c-357-magnum/, The review after Wild West Guns rescued it: Ive been looking for a stainless 1894 in 44mag for years. (Photo: Winchester) If you want a lever gun for your wall and occasional shooting, good luck doing better. Im not particularly recoil sensitive (though getting old does suck) but from a power-to-controllability ratio standpoint, Ive always found the .357 to be the sweet spot. So for me, the perfect single-caliber combo would be .357 Mag wheelgun at the hip holster, and lever gun such as one of those shown in the article above. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! Despite the fact there is little commercial production for the .357 Remington maximum, the cartridge is well liked by hunters who understand the velocities, energy, and recoil it produces makes for a very efficient and manageable cartridge. The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. The 1873 Deluxe Sporting is that classic rifle, dressed to the nines with a color-case hardened finish and checkered pistol grip. Also, at higher velocities, the bullet is able to realize a flatter trajectory meaning longer shots are possible. The 357 out-paces the 44-40 and 32-20 by a fair margin. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. Working range would be 50-70 yards. Its sad that this is a bonus, but for many Americans it is exactly that. We discuss most anything here politely. Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. We show you how. HINT: Academy has Henry Steel Big Boys in stock today, July 29th, for $730. Extremely fun to shoot makes them relevant. Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. Both cartridges can be practical for hunting midsized, and some large game. Big improvement in smothness. . I never got to shoot either. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. https://www.rincolnia.com/images/Public/38SPL_SUPP.mp4. Remington is the only manufacturer of brass for this caliber, but Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Remington, Winchester, and several other manufacturers make bullets that work well for the cartridge. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. If theyll go ahead and put the new loading gate on it (which I expect they will before long) I think Id probably move it straight to the top of the list. For full power loads like 30 gr. When I lived in the mountains caretaking a state property, soon learned the first day of hunting season would see the deer herd moving onto the property, bedding down behind the residence and the snow plow shed. With nice wood To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Not a bad option if you are living in a slave state. TX residents add 8.25% sales tax. Since the rules have changed again effective this fall I have came up with another case based on the 444 marlin necked to .375 at 1.8 inches long. Your buddys Italian .357 was probably a Chiappa. The 357 max is all that plus a bit of more power available. Show Only with Pictures I only have a little experience with .357 SIG (a friend has a Springfield XDM in said chambering) but it seems a reasonable round. The Gun That Won The West. No, the article actually shows period photos of guys wearing cross slings with clips on the end that attached to the rifle, so they could let it dangle by their legs. Model 1873 and cowboyskinda synonymous. Personally I like Blue Dot, and Bullseye for plinking rounds. And some states (North Carolina) consider that a concealed weapon. And if you do it right, .38 Special or .357 Mag is an incredibly cheap round to reload, with brass that lasts forever and makes a fine alternative to .22LR when plinking ammo is hard to find.
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