My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. Gary Faulds. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! I might have served you in the shop in the early 70s as a teenager. No1seems2care. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. Worst of all were the problems relating to the 759 flats and maisonettes in the Hutchestown Area E phase at Crown Street. You Wine Alley Govan Team were shite begs. Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. This work was focused on parent-child. Sources I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. sau. We also have a great selection of craft beers! 6 99m New Cafe India Govan . My father, Alex Grant and brother Davie lived one up at 129 Elderpark Street. Regular bus services, mainly operated by McGill's Bus Services and First Glasgow, offer frequent routes to Glasgow City Centre, as well as to numerous locations in Renfrewshire. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. A list of almost 3000 ships built at Govan has been collected in the "Clydebuilt Database". They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. My husband and I ended up going into the USA. I don't know the name though and wondered if anyone could remember it. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. The Old Govan Fair. or. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. The plan was to video and record any deals as they happened - a tricky and dangerous proposition. Prihlsi sa. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. Govan is home to the Scottish Junior football team Benburb F.C. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. Nobody like them in the World. In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. He stayed in Nethen Street and was born in 1931. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. Govan was thriving in those days. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? Servicii comunitare. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. Not Now. . Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. 8/1. No1seems2care. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. For about a decade that shop stood empty and it broke my heart. 5 Contact Us. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 Our father would be home right before we had to leave for school, so he would take us as it was not safe to cross Langlands Rd., Unfortunately, the week before Christmas in 1943, our grandfather was killed by a bus right at the Vogue cinema. Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. One hypothesis is that it was a prehistoric burial mound. Of all the memories that I hold dear as a very young boy, was the guy pushing a barrow every Saturday afternoon selling bags of whelks! who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. Govan (/vn/ GUV-n; Cumbric? Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . Just looking for anybody who new the Paterson, dad george known as Geordie and mum Betty, sisters Elaine, Brenda and brother George. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. HAPPY TIMES. Interest. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. My mam would love to know. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. We moved to Cardonald when I was very small but used to go back to Govan all the time and stay with my grannie at 711 Govan Road, above McLarens Newsagents. Jackson had only just taken charge of the CID at Govan, having left his post as head of Strathclyde Polices serious crime squad. Svisiace strnky. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. I noticed a post by Murray G. Wondering if we might be related at all? I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. J. N. REILLY There is a war on. Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. Sad to see Govan now but many happy memories. We left govan to go to Drumchapel. A big gang of kids would all go to the pictures on Saturday afternoon and one kid would pay to get in and then would go round to the fire escape door and open it and let the rest of the kids in for free. The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. 8 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Laurel Brook. Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion 102m The Govan Shed . The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. That suggested that the suspect was taking the van south to Manchester or Liverpool to pick up much larger drug consignments. Acumfaegovan born and brought up on Langlands Road with my sisters Susan and Elaine Wilson by my wonderful parents Vera and Bill Wilson. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Log In. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. When I got married I moved to Arden, I now live in Clarkston in the South of Glasgow. contact the editor here. Forgotten account? I was born in Govan, at home, on Luath Street in 1935. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. 14 Riverside Changes, 2005, p. 1 I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. And increase their/your revenues. Helen Dunlop and I have kept in touch all these years, she is only one month younger than me and lived across the street, therefore we have known each other all of our lives. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. [29], Kvrner of Norway, as part of a planned development of a large international shipbuilding group, took over Govan. It was great reading all the stories. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? My dad gave my a slap for not fighting them, god was only about five years old. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Its cells were just as grim but did not seem to deter the many local villains who frequented them on a regular basis. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. My Mum was Godmother to your brother and I was at your wedding. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. alebo. When the railway was to be built in the late nineteenth century, however, the confusion over proper descriptions in the land titles made necessary legal transactions difficult and had to be reconciled. Further, that by becoming involved in social, political, and economic activities, the community of any area can organise itself in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power is real. Long range video and still cameras were set up at both locations so that the daily activities of the dealers could be filmed and monitored. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. Govan borders the district of Ibrox, home to the Scottish football club Rangers F.C. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? There I was, short hair, snotty-nosed from crying and eating an ice cream cone. I went to Govan High school and Fairfield Primary school, I worked at MacDonalds biscuit factory then went to Toronto with my husband Dan Slavin, I miss my wee town, it will not be same anymore. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! Moreover, there will be no demolition or destruction of any part of Govans heritage on the contrary the important Iron Age site of Doomster Hill will be marked with grass, and not encroached upon by the new housing while a special corridor will link it with Govan Old Parish Church, which is one of the earliest Christian sites in Britain. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. I look forward to reading further. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. She got married in 1956 to my grandfather Robert. I had never seen one before. Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. 14). This is a small family owned and operated place. 125m Harley's ice cream parlour . In Cowie Street, Kinning Park there was a pub at the corner but can't remember what it was called? Burnside also appeared to take sadistic pleasure in watching them scrabbling about on the ground looking for their hit. It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Doublers; Rounders; Kick the Can; Ropes I could go on and on particularly with the little verses we once recited lodged in my brain still! The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 If I could I would have bought many! With its bad name, many people from Moorepark could not get jobs while those that could often disguised their addresses and, if they a they moved away because of its bad reputation Gradually, the decrease in services, coupled with, a by now high turnover of tenancie let house, led to the accretion of demoralised families coming into the scheme and all the stories about Moorparks good-for-nothing population seemed to be justified. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. A Gannett Company. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. By the early 80s, much of the place had acquired an air of dilapidation and neglect. I have many happy memories of Govan. Wine Alley feels very European and I love it! This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. Photos: Splash News. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. Knowing a house which was empty he pre-emptively sought approval from the council to use it as part of the operation. In fact, the idea was publicly abused in the first of the two SEU documents above. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. We are the Eskimoes. Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. Redevelopment was never completed and the combined effects of poor building specifications, and carelessness in the design of the surrounding spaces were becoming embarrassingly apparent. Wine Alley was in a part of Govan which is "pretty much gone now but it was notorious," he described. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. dealing, drug abuse, and money lending had flourished in a big way since 1975, which only added to the schemes wretchedness. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. Janet Logan (Williamson) I remember your family. My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. The Catholic Church that was located in Stanley Street was I believe the largest Catholic Church in Glasgow and at one time had 5 resident Priests. the tall man aboriginal spirit; metadata api request failed: component conversion failed: file_ended; caleb foote sandlot It was a beautiful building and I would have thought that the powers that be could have used it for something. Read More I also remember the candy apple man and rag man, I also remember at the top of Greenfield Street as a wee boy of 8 watching a horse drawn Beatties bread wagon relieving itself, what a flood lots of great memories. Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. The partnership works by: There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . [31] GEC's Marconi Marine division already owned YSL (purchased in 1985) and VSEL (purchased in 1995). I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Only a few years into it, faults like dampness had begun to appear in the tower blocks of the Laurieston/ Gorbals project, which rapidly turned into a disaster area. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. I remember at one time there were thirteen of us staying in the house including the lassie across the street who came to stay for a night and more or less remained there for about five years. Datum OSGB36 - NGR. As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. This article is about the district in Glasgow. My husband also comes from Govan. or. Recent studies of the archaeology of Govan Old have revealed the presence of an ancient Christian church. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere.
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